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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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willischer host and we have a great one

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for you this evening we have Dean

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aliotto is joining he filled in so

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graciously when I was out sick and I'm

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really glad that we'll be having a

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discussion tonight we're going to be

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talking a lot about the legislation that

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was signed uh recently and what that

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and we will accept your questions as we

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go along if you're in the chat room

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please put your questions in chat uh

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your all caps so I catch them and let's

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see for the blog this week Charles Lear

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wrote a really great blog it's called

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The National Enquirer

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panel now I hadn't realized this I

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always think of the inquiries being you

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know a tabloid

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um but they actually had a like what

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they called a blue ribbon panel Jay

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Allen heineck Leo sprinkle and several

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other people were involved in that and

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they did take UFO investigations very

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seriously at one time and again which I

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never knew there is a some type of CIA

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connection there to uh well it's

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interesting so check out that blog on

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appreciate every listener and I want to

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wish everyone a happy and healthy

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2023 and with that I'm going to bring in

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my guest Dean welcome welcome back thank

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you Martin great to be back and uh great

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to be on your wonderful show with your

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wonderful listeners and yes that's right

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if you're not a listener if you're if

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you're watching it what are you are you

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with visuals no a visual or yeah a

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visualer yeah yeah yeah yeah

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but anyway I I still want to I want to

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thank you again for filling it for me

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for those several weeks and a lot of

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people are asking when's Dean coming

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back so here you are and uh a lot of

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people really enjoyed uh and thought you

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did a wonderful job a lot of great

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feedback and uh well as much fun as I

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had it was uh even more fun to see you

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back

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and crushing it and again um it's always

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fun always fun yeah hanging with you so

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looking forward to it that's great thank

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you so uh let's see so we had some

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things signed uh by uh Biden recently

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and in that there was some legislation

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and uh you made a good point

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um that it's not really the task force

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what do you what do you uh it's back to

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the Pentagon which is kind of puzzling

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um how do you think the whole thing is

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going to uh turn out what did you get

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let's see there's the

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the unadulterated response then there's

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a politically correct response

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we're going to go with the unadulterated

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response uh sounds like a you know

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to be honest the problem here is that

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you have the dod policing themselves

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again and that's worked great uh when

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and so it it feels like you know there

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they've got the Whistleblower thing

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whistleblower is it just reporting what

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you see it should no longer be called

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whistleblowing it should be you have

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this you know this opportunity to come

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forth and say this and and report it but

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you're not going to be able to report it

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directly to the UAP task force which is

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the you know the the um uh the

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congress's you know um direct link to

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the government and what's going on uh

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force it it doesn't it's it's segregated

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the military so those are the two people

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that they're mentioned that that get a

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um reporting if you will so again it's

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and so and what they do with it is up to

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worried about here's stuff that we want

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to keep you know uh keep off record

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interfere with what we're doing or

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technology we're working on Etc

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that you know they're saying well we're

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really is that I guess and it's good is

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that you're not going to maybe lose your

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job or you're not going to be threatened

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with being reassigned that can't be

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discounted that's huge so you know my

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biggest win here to be honest

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um because it's not saying that there's

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to Congress which will feed to us

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so for all of us that want more

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information and and want all of that you

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from all over the world who are not in

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the military and who are not contractors

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of the military from reporting what they

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say but again it has so much more

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gravitas you know you look at James

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Fox's you know great documentary The

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phenomenon and it really focuses on

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on the government cases and there's a

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reason for that you know media and the

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perception of the phenomenon gets really

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uh look it's it's The credibility Factor

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shoots up when you have people that are

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you know uh looking at this phenomenon

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up close and personal who especially if

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in the Air Force or Navy or all the

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different branches that have their their

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air and underwater

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um yeah so that's kind of my initial

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take if you will and sorry for dropping

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the F-bomb but that's going to happen I

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know this is a uh safe for work podcast

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yeah I'm gonna have to do the NS

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whatever they they call it not safe for

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work yeah yeah

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uh but uh so anyway the the aaro stands

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for all domain anomaly resolution

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office and when it means all domain it

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does mean all domain whether it's air C

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uh you know underwater uh land uh but it

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but anyway uh so I feel like it has

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you know at this point it has uh I I

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think maybe what you're you're saying uh

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makes a lot of sense like here we go

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again you know that type of thing like

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we're not uh we're not going to be

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learning anything it sounds like it's

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very possible that we won't be learning

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anything whereas we had hope as this was

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going to be a very transparent thing uh

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and now it seems like it may not uh at

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this point yeah the timing is again a

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little strange you know we've got the

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UAP task force and all of a sudden

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they've got their task force

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and so it's you know and who's going to

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have more gravitas you know is it going

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that has their own program now uh that

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will spend not a hundred thousand but up

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to a hundred thousand I know which is

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quite uh minimal if you ask me yeah so

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so uh I want to I want to read uh some

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of these things that uh let's see Chris

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out these articles let me just put it up

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these numbered things real quickly and

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every single thing but number one this

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in what he was uh

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talking about what was signed in number

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one proves provides greatly enhanced

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authorities and resources for the all

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domain anomaly resolution office

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aaro which now reports directly to the

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the intelligence Community the

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organization's usual name is intended to

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purview extends to anomalous objects

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intelligence of all intelligence

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UAP from 1945 to present which I think

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because in their their argument for that

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was that the data was you know outdated

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and not as good as uh you know modern

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um in the past but if they really truly

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kinds of things

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um that that had happened over the years

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that absolutely make no sense for uh any

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of our technology

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that existed at the time and even now so

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you know there were things that were

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clocked at many thousands of miles an

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hour back in the 1960s so there's no

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explanation for that if we had that type

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of Technology then it certainly would be

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out by now uh okay number three with

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cars DOD DHS and the IC to identify

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any non-disclosure agreements slated

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related to UAP and provide those to the

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aaro office number four directs the new

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aaro office to develop a UAP science

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plan to assess the sometimes mysterious

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and mind-bending capabilities being

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reported as well as a collection plan to

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leverage America's vast technology

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intelligence apparatus to determine

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where these objects are coming from and

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their capabilities as well as intent the

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aggressive UAP investigation using

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America's unparalleled intelligence

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capabilities

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is this is in uh Chris mellon's words is

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what I had hoped to accomplish when he

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brought the famous doduap videos Gimbal

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and the Fleur uh he talks about

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um how that broke back on uh back in

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um 2017. number five this is uh the

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important one that you were talking

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about provides a secure process for

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anyone who has signed an official U.S

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government secrecy agreement related to

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UAP to come forward and reveal that

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information to aaro and to Congress so

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to Congress that's the good point right

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there regardless of the level of

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classification without fear of

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Retribution or prosecution

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this provision is intended to determine

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the veracity of the long-standing

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allegations indicating that the U.S

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government has recovered

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extraterrestrial technology and perhaps

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even extraterrestrial beings the alleged

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UAP crash in 1947 near Roswell New

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Mexico

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uh Trinity and blah blah blah so anyway

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that's just it kind of some really good

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points that Chris Mellon had pointed out

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um

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I don't know that you can directly go to

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Congress that doesn't sound right that

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these uh people who witness this stuff

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can go to Congress who are you going to

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go to Congress because Congress doesn't

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have a task force the UAP task force is

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a separate

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entity that's that's working with

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Congress so I don't I don't know that

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you can go down just a little mix of

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wording there perhaps yeah

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um so yeah so again what that means to

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me is um

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is um sorry I'm I'm very distracted

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right now because of

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um what Jenkins uh at the Wall Street

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times

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um wrote Oh yes yes isn't that something

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so you want to talk a little bit about

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that yeah well let's we'll finish this

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but but

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um I'm just saying that's kind of what's

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because I'm I'm separating the two and

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and going okay well this has been signed

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finally

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um and we'll see what happens

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because there's every potential

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that nothing may happen

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you know it might just kind of you know

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it might it might become something that

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that kind of Fades without you know uh

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the Press

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checking in and hounding them and going

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hey what's going on here and if the

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Press is all of a sudden going in a

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different direction

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for whatever reason we can talk about

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possible reasons for that

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um that doesn't happen

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you know because again

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I mean there's you know we've got 18

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months I guess it is that they've got to

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report what's going on

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um but even now the UAP Task Force is is

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late there was a report that was

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supposed to come out last Halloween

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still hasn't that's correct yes

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and and and we heard little bits and

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pieces of it but never you know it

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didn't really

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uh nothing really showed up

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yeah so I'm I'm very you know don't take

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this uh wrong I'm not saying that that

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this whole thing is uh smoke and mirrors

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but I'm saying that this isn't um

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there's nothing really to kind of

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celebrate yet we can kind of um

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you know we can pull out the cigars but

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we can't like them yet I guess is what

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I'm saying here is the the National

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Defense authorization act uh 2023. this

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is right from the government's website

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and you know it goes on and on on a

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breakdown and

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uh but you know you try to search for

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the UAP through there and it becomes

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very difficult

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and

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um you have to

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you have to look at these other things

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let me pull some things up you have to

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go to section

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1673 A4 B

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and um yeah you got to do some digging

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in order to really yeah you know pull

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that in yep and I I did uh I pulled up

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some a couple of uh PDFs

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um let's see which one

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that that uh

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I'm not even sure if this is showing

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right now I can't see oh there it is yep

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okay

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um but anyway

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um I will have all these into Linked In

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the show show notes but I think I had

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that in the section where it talks about

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UAP uh when it first came up here it is

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right here section 1673 I don't know

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Define an almost phenomenon reporting

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procedures where it goes through all

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that I mean just to see this in any type

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of legislation is pretty

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uh you know pretty amazing really it is

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yeah

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but but where where are we going to be

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back to to Ground Zero again is that is

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that what you're you know I mean here's

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the thing you just talked about the

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media

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and

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I I've said this before we have a very

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ephemeral Society you hardly ever hear

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about things like the war and you know

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or anything you know it just it's a

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flash in the pan and then move on to the

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next whatever it is so

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um I I think if the media is not

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hounding for information

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and I you know in some ways I'm thinking

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that the whole thing could just quiet

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down and maybe we'll won't hear unless

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we are the agitators

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um nothing's going to be really brought

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up yeah yeah and so

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um again right now I'm looking at you

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know speaking of the press and and uh

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we've got Jenkins you know article oh

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yes coming out and and the title of

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which is so condescending the UF UFO

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bubble goes pop that's right

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um yeah you saw that I'm not

418
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I'm not calling him one but that's a

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dick move

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[Laughter]

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I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry it's like come

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on so you're the guy who's gonna pop the

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bubble you've you've figured it out

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after decades and decades and now you're

425
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going to bring everyone back to Earth

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good job and the fact is he's

427
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ill-informed he has not done his

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homework as Chris melon has pointed out

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yes um and so

430
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um I my feeling is

431
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what does that do you're cherry picking

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stuff you're not doing any solid

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research and it's like a catchy tagline

434
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I guess

435
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um it's time you know but that's what

436
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the media does is they'll build

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something up build something up can't

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wait for is this now the time to kick

439
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down the pedestal great I'm gonna try to

440
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get in there before anyone else uh an

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echo of that was uh Julian Barnes with

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the New York Times now the New York

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Times has changed a little bit Ralph

444
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Blumenthal um will tell you that his

445
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article on experiences was going to be

446
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coming out but because there's some new

447
00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:07,860
people in there it wasn't welcomed and

448
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he'd been working on this for a while

449
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and um yeah and that was uh uh

450
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unfortunate and so and and that article

451
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um that Julian Barnes did um just for

452
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those who don't remember this or have a

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dart board that they throw darts at

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[Laughter]

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um I got off on the wrong side of the

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bed I think it was on the wrong side of

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spaceship this morning I guess

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um yeah yeah so so that one was

459
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basically saying that oh the military

460
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has said basically we're wrong that

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there's 144 cases and we've discovered

462
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that it's you know there's prosaic

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answers for all them and it's primarily

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two things which is

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um space

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garbage Space trash Oh yeah and and the

467
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other thing is that it's drones

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yeah and I'm like okay cool and like

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Chris melon says in his article

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he says hey if it is that if it's

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prosaic if it is you know You Know The

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Enemy or whatever great now we know who

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it is let's let's pivot to how we're

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going to deal with that doesn't have to

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be that but the whole point is that

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there's this threat that's out there

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that that precipitated us you know was a

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privilege to us creating these programs

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so Julian Barnes

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he he says those two things does he say

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to the his Anonymous you know Government

482
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contact okay cool can you check the

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files and show me footage of space

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debris

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so we can see where that looks yeah so

486
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we can see what that looks like so we

487
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can compare it to other things that

488
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we've seen or heard you you can't do

489
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that okay that can't be classified

490
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because there's stuff that comes down

491
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all the time from you know other stuff

492
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that I mean there's so much crap up

493
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there I think it's I don't know if it's

494
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up to Millions now but it's all

495
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categorized even screws they know

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everything that's out there that comes

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down

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okay so can you show me a drone show me

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Chinese Drone footage because if a whole

500
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bunch of this stuff is happening and we

501
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,980
know that you're shooting and filming

502
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this stuff guys

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um Mr F you know 1618 Pilots it's it's

504
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and above it's there and so my question

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is

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um did it did he ask them do these

507
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drones

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change course

509
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on a on a dime yeah do they stop on a

510
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dime yeah just a Hypersonic technology

511
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that I'm aware of and we've just made

512
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some new advances you know the US uh

513
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,320
defense has just had some new advances

514
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it goes really fast but it goes in One

515
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Direction

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and so you know Hypersonic speed that's

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great but these things aren't doing that

518
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and again you know the the other

519
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criticism I have and I'm just throwing

520
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it all out it's a new year so let's get

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it all out

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is um the crap I hear

523
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um when people are talking about how um

524
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uh Pilots aren't scientists so how would

525
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,059
they really know oh that's ridiculous I

526
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love that one that's great because then

527
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I want to say to the scientists who's

528
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saying that

529
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are you a pilot yeah how many experience

530
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:09,179
are you in Top Gun you know what Top Gun

531
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is right yeah oh you're not so you don't

532
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have so okay well that pretty much

533
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cancels out your your opinion because

534
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you've got a chalkboard and they have

535
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the whole sky

536
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so and rant yeah yeah no really that's

537
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that's really a great point and yeah

538
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that is that it always it's always funny

539
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that they'd never they always try to

540
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categorize it like that and just just

541
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:40,320
sweep it all away by proclamation but it

542
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never it never accounts for the facts of

543
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what people have been witnessing for

544
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decades

545
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and that could no in no way ever be a

546
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drone or

547
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you know space junk it just doesn't

548
00:23:02,450 --> 00:22:57,900
behave like that yeah yeah

549
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:02,460
and so if we back up and and to to what

550
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our main topic here is we also have to

551
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include two things one is

552
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um the motivation

553
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why is this happening now well it's

554
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happening because the press and everyone

555
00:23:17,169 --> 00:23:13,799
the footage has come out and so there's

556
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,179
genuine interest and uh you have

557
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:19,440
congresspersons who are very concerned

558
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,260
about this and under the guise of this

559
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,600
possibly being a threat and it is not

560
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,000
possible it is a threat anything that

561
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,559
impedes

562
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:30,840
um a even an exercise by the US

563
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:31,820
government

564
00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:36,059
military that's a threat and so um you

565
00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:38,220
know people can lose lives uh in a

566
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,659
situation where they're not accounting

567
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:41,520
for certain things

568
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:43,140
um that come in that can outmaneuver the

569
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:45,000
hell out of us so

570
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,159
so the motivation here it sounds like

571
00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:48,720
okay where the Congress is putting

572
00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:50,220
pressure on them the media is putting

573
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,659
pressure

574
00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:53,700
um on things and and the media is what

575
00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:56,340
kind of dictates everything

576
00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:58,500
um and so uh

577
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,100
so it is it's strange that

578
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,600
that this is happening and a lot of

579
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:05,100
people like to say oh it's disclosure

580
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:06,840
you know disclosure people are getting

581
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:09,419
ready to disclose something and again I

582
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:11,100
keep saying why why would the government

583
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:12,659
disclose anything

584
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:18,320
that they don't have to there's no

585
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:21,000
please you know write in right now

586
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:24,600
comment tell me a valid reason why the

587
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,039
government would want to come out and

588
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:28,980
say yes there's technology that's out

589
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:30,900
there I'm not talking about the reverse

590
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:33,659
engineering you know um

591
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,059
um theories and stuff just talking about

592
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,520
what is the motivation

593
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,740
for the government to come out and say

594
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,440
yes we are dealing with uh these these

595
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:45,780
beans and stuff and by the way

596
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:48,600
these crafts are so huge the idea that

597
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,179
it's a simple drone I mean we send

598
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:53,400
drones to other countries I'm pretty

599
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,520
sure that are probably about this big

600
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,799
um at this point yeah why would you need

601
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:00,960
something that big what's inside of that

602
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:03,960
and and if this is extraterrestrial are

603
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,980
as uh my buddy Michael Masters likes to

604
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,799
say you know they're from the future

605
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,840
um which is just as credible

606
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,700
um why aren't they getting out and

607
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:16,080
stretching their legs are they you know

608
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:18,120
why would you just fly over and just do

609
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,740
drive-bys it doesn't you know kind of

610
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,480
make sense to me and and the

611
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:22,799
government's not getting into any of

612
00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:24,419
that stuff that's pretty big rabbit hole

613
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:25,500
to go in

614
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:28,020
that's right and if they can't

615
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,360
uh you know what like you just said

616
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,919
we'll get to this question here in a

617
00:25:35,930 --> 00:25:33,840
second here but

618
00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:35,940
like you said what would their incentive

619
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,320
be

620
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,720
um that they don't why would they say

621
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:42,240
that we really don't know what this

622
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:45,240
technology is that's that we can't that

623
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,679
is coming in

624
00:25:50,330 --> 00:25:48,720
to our skies we do not know how to

625
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:50,340
protect you from it you know they want

626
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:53,700
to stay away from any of those topics so

627
00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:55,380
they don't want to ever have to answer

628
00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:57,900
those type of questions I believe

629
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:00,779
yeah but that's confusing they're not no

630
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:03,539
one's been shot shot at you know no no

631
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:05,640
UFO that I know of and I've done a

632
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,039
little bit of research into that uh

633
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:10,559
there was one Italian case but that has

634
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:12,539
some holes in it

635
00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:14,340
um well I think it was a helicopter that

636
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:16,860
got supposedly tagged uh by that but

637
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,179
they're not you know this isn't

638
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:20,640
Independence Day that's not happening so

639
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:23,960
the threat is that they are basically

640
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:27,480
you know showing up showing off and

641
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:28,760
taking off

642
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:32,340
and so it's it's you know it it yes it

643
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,440
is dangerous and is a threat and we need

644
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:37,020
to try to understand it even as and and

645
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,520
they're properly calling it it's a

646
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:40,140
phenomena we need to understand that

647
00:26:42,769 --> 00:26:41,340
phenomena just like the Northern Lights

648
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:42,779
is a phenomenon we need to understand

649
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:46,200
that so that that makes sense to me but

650
00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:47,460
um the best we're going to get out of

651
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,799
this is more confirmation of them saying

652
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,200
yes this is happening great and we'll

653
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,200
get more footage right the ultimate goal

654
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,880
is we want to see more footage and we

655
00:27:00,769 --> 00:26:58,559
want to see clear footage please and we

656
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:00,779
don't want to see three frames we want

657
00:27:06,169 --> 00:27:04,380
to see something longer yeah yeah well

658
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:06,179
I'd mentioned this I believe on the last

659
00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:10,440
podcast was that of the supposedly I

660
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,419
remember you know about a year and a

661
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,080
half ago Lou Elizondo said first on

662
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,480
someone's podcast not mine but

663
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:21,120
that we're expecting to see a 23-minute

664
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:24,299
film that shows multiple

665
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,240
um objects you know anomalous objects in

666
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,360
it and that never usually when Lou has

667
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:31,679
said something like that those things

668
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,960
have happened but not in this case I

669
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,940
haven't heard anything more about that I

670
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,279
did ask him the last time he was on the

671
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,799
show and uh you know I can't really

672
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,140
remember what his uh final answer to

673
00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:46,320
that was but uh like it's it'll come

674
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,419
along at some point you know there was

675
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:50,760
no definitive time

676
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,260
well yeah I mean you kind of

677
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:57,120
you're kind of fantasize and go well

678
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:59,340
what would have happened if Lou

679
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,020
hadn't resigned

680
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,600
and this was happening

681
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,760
what what who could he have brought as

682
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,380
Witnesses and what footage could he have

683
00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:09,600
been bringing in the inside

684
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:13,559
now that that wonderment that that

685
00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:14,159
um

686
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:19,140
doesn't make sense because we're here

687
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,460
because

688
00:28:24,649 --> 00:28:22,500
that of what Lou did with getting out

689
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:24,659
you know the the go fast you know

690
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:27,779
footage and the other um Clips getting

691
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:28,980
that out

692
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:31,380
caused all of this the ripples of this

693
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,059
so we don't get her without him doing

694
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,400
that right but if he had stayed in there

695
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:37,679
and not resigned and you know and and

696
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:40,200
you know God knows Lou had his reasons

697
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,880
for doing that

698
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,919
um you know I just wonder what would

699
00:28:46,669 --> 00:28:44,940
have happened and is there someone

700
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:46,679
inside who's going to be kind of like a

701
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:47,460
Lou

702
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:51,120
uh that's that's uh still you know

703
00:28:58,269 --> 00:28:54,179
working for the man if you will

704
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,279
um yeah so um

705
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,419
never really thought much about that

706
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,220
because Chris Mellon was already out

707
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,799
there you know I I had interviewed him

708
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,020
and a few other people did and he was

709
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:09,539
out there but he didn't have any of this

710
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:13,620
information until Lou came forward

711
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:16,380
um but not saying that the gimbal

712
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,700
was out there earlier you know a few

713
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:22,799
years earlier some German

714
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,679
company or something I think it was in

715
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:27,720
Germany where that was first released

716
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:31,020
somehow I don't know how the exact uh

717
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,140
Origins it was but it's kind of like

718
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:36,480
um you know an actor who's been out

719
00:29:40,850 --> 00:29:38,820
there working forever and all and all of

720
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,860
a sudden they break yeah oh my God

721
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,600
where'd this person come from you know

722
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:44,940
she or he came from you know doing a lot

723
00:29:47,889 --> 00:29:46,440
of you know work and getting stuff out

724
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:47,899
there but mostly it was that I wasn't

725
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,000
presented in the best way it you know

726
00:29:58,690 --> 00:29:52,559
was talking about yourself again aren't

727
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,610
all right let's read Steven's question

728
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:04,559
here what agency distinguishes evidence

729
00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:07,020
between unknown and unknown drone Tech

730
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:10,380
and something from an off World

731
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,500
um yeah because we had uh John Ramirez

732
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:15,419
from the CIA he said that wouldn't be

733
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:18,059
something that they would do they were

734
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:19,980
mostly in into you know foreign

735
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,799
intelligence so it would be would it be

736
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,140
the dod I mean I have I really don't

737
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:27,899
have an idea myself I don't think there

738
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,419
is one first of all

739
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:33,120
it's what what branch

740
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,100
if something happens with the Navy and

741
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,440
they're seeing drones the first thing

742
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:38,640
they do is they're going to try to

743
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:41,159
determine what this is and whether they

744
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:42,600
refer to the James I think it's the

745
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:45,659
James book of aeronautic uh uh you know

746
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,840
airplanes and and uh you know the enemy

747
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:50,159
Fighters and stuff you distinguish you

748
00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:51,360
have to distinguish you have to identify

749
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,919
what is this if it's none of those

750
00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:55,440
things then it becomes this you know

751
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,659
unknown thing this UAP

752
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:59,460
and then at that moment

753
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,620
you know

754
00:31:05,389 --> 00:31:04,320
it's it's it's it's isolated it's within

755
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:05,399
that department

756
00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:08,220
so Steven's asking does it get kicked up

757
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:09,960
at that point you know we found

758
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:12,360
something that we've we've separated it

759
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,279
from what we know

760
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:16,320
now we're bringing up to you guys and

761
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:18,360
you guys figured out here is the data

762
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,100
that we have

763
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,919
um I think that it's I don't and then if

764
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,419
it goes up there

765
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:26,640
I think it's just more of the same

766
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:28,140
because it's already been analyzed by

767
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:31,140
the top people in in their branch

768
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,059
so I don't think that there's a specific

769
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,799
division it's that sounds kind of smart

770
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:36,360
to be able to have

771
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,860
you know someone who just breaks it down

772
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,720
and says okay I look at radar and I

773
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:41,399
distinguish between this and that I look

774
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:43,799
at you know flare footage I look at you

775
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:45,059
know whatever

776
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:47,700
I wonder if they would Shuffle it off to

777
00:31:51,649 --> 00:31:49,860
like to say if it did go in one of the

778
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,659
Departments if they would say hey should

779
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,940
this go to space force should this go to

780
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:55,740
NORAD where should this go you know that

781
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:59,039
type of that type of thing or um you

782
00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:01,080
know I mean those things have been

783
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:03,299
happening all along so it makes you

784
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,399
wonder where where these things actually

785
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:08,640
all right trickle to well let's unpack

786
00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:12,179
that so if it's the Navy

787
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:15,299
and it's the underwater submersible

788
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,440
craft

789
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:18,120
vehicle

790
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:19,380
then

791
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,880
better than DOD

792
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:25,500
what they're seeing you know as Mark

793
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:28,500
d'antonio had his own experience on the

794
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:31,860
sub I think I call fast Runners right

795
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:34,620
um that so then you've got that then you

796
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,539
have the air and then so if it's in

797
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,100
space I'm guessing it would be the you

798
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,279
know the space force right so each has

799
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:43,620
their own territory

800
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,620
yeah that that may very well be a

801
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,760
question

802
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:50,640
to you do you think these UFOs we keep

803
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,159
seeing are American Technology

804
00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:55,320
you kind of said you didn't think so

805
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,539
earlier no

806
00:33:01,370 --> 00:32:59,279
um it's not

807
00:33:05,389 --> 00:33:01,380
this is if this had been going on since

808
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,399
2005 2004 I would say oh yeah there's

809
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:07,440
probably a good chance that the

810
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,299
technology is is off grid that we're

811
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:12,000
aware of that is so far out there you

812
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,260
know like the stealth bomber but even

813
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:14,820
further

814
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:17,220
um but no this has been going on for

815
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,019
decades and the Tic Tac is not a unique

816
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:21,659
shape it's been described forever if you

817
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,059
if you really read down into the details

818
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,179
of the Socorro New Mexico

819
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,120
um case Lonnie Zamora he describes it as

820
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:32,820
a dictate Tic Tac he he doesn't say Tic

821
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,679
Tac but he describes it as this thing

822
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:35,760
that was laying outside almost like

823
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:38,700
egg-shaped oblong well that sounds like

824
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,720
a Tic Tac to me and so um it's it's you

825
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:44,460
know these things have been around for

826
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,880
way way too long way too long

827
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:49,559
um and I'm not even getting into the you

828
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:50,279
know

829
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:52,980
going back and ancient

830
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:55,320
um yeah I'm not going to say I'm not

831
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:57,059
going to say that word

832
00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:01,140
but it's it's you know it yeah so no the

833
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:03,419
sorry the question the answer is no I do

834
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,260
not

835
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:07,260
I like uh I I kind of like what um again

836
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,760
I just mentioned his name a minute ago

837
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:10,679
John Ramirez said

838
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,060
um but other people have said it too

839
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:14,700
it's not his own but that uh maybe

840
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:16,379
they've always been here they've been

841
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:19,320
here long before us you know and in a

842
00:34:24,109 --> 00:34:22,200
different form or something uh you know

843
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,119
it's very possible

844
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,440
um you know what getting back to um

845
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:30,480
Calicut question his question

846
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,080
um

847
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:33,540
I guess one could say because you know

848
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:35,460
there's a whole didn't have we reversed

849
00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:38,700
engineered this technology

850
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:40,220
um

851
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:43,080
reverse engineering technology of that

852
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,500
level is I would imagine

853
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:48,720
um I'm not a physicist but I would

854
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,060
imagine it would be impossible

855
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,280
uh are pretty damn close to it because

856
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,200
you're dealing with things that are

857
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,420
breaking physics the laws of physics as

858
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,280
we know them I mean there's so many

859
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:01,380
levels to reverse engineering you know

860
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:04,440
people it's not just you know the the

861
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,119
um Nuts and Bolts

862
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:08,880
you know I've had conversations

863
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:10,740
um you know with um

864
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:13,020
uh with Lou about this technology being

865
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:14,520
organic

866
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,380
um and um

867
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,680
would your light just go out yes when

868
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:22,260
the Lights Went Out the Lights Went Out

869
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,220
in Georgia get this bad boy back

870
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:28,619
that's a Night the Lights Went Out in

871
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:32,460
Georgia yeah maybe that's a sign oh now

872
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:36,359
he meant deep Shadow probably the

873
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:39,060
hold on one second I can find out yes

874
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,500
hold on yeah

875
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:42,599
all right I'm gonna put this uh this

876
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,020
question up here from

877
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:48,720
Dr Richard

878
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:52,200
what happened you're falling apart there

879
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:01,490
well anyway uh this question from

880
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:04,920
uh Dr Richard if the ETS

881
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:08,220
compel the government cover-ups on

882
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:11,160
threat of severe retaliation

883
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:14,940
the Congress compels disclosure what is

884
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:18,060
the government to do wow yeah if that

885
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:22,670
we I

886
00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,320
there there has as far as we know

887
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:27,900
there's never been a threat as of yet

888
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:31,200
but you're saying if they do uh what

889
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:32,220
would

890
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:39,180
was it Independence Day

891
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,700
something like that you know I don't

892
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:43,619
know I would think that

893
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,640
the world uh the governments throughout

894
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,500
the world would get together and try to

895
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,660
figure something out

896
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:54,720
um I don't know what else uh

897
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:57,300
could be done Dina you having to rebuild

898
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:01,990
Dean

899
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,240
he will be back uh so I don't know how

900
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:09,119
to answer that question because uh you

901
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:11,220
know I would think that you would think

902
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:13,560
that there would be Unity between all

903
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:15,780
countries because we would have just

904
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:18,599
like Reagan said we would have you know

905
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,300
this whole threat against us all

906
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:23,700
I think you I think uh being in studio

907
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:27,119
completely broke down there

908
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:35,089
out of there

909
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:40,790
um all right so I'm going to look

910
00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:43,800
through a couple more questions

911
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:46,859
right here I do think that Dean will

912
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,220
probably be coming back

913
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:52,260
so someone wanted to know

914
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,839
uh wanted asking Dean if he thinks

915
00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:57,180
there's more than one species visiting

916
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,440
Earth

917
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:01,440
um so well I guess I could give my

918
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,060
opinion

919
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:04,980
um I I think

920
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:07,560
I kind of like the the method that it's

921
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,200
more than one thing that is happening

922
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,480
here uh and chocolate has talked about

923
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:14,579
that early on

924
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:17,700
um but I and you know Dean mentioned

925
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:20,760
earlier about uh Dr Michael Master's

926
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:23,880
idea of time travelers which is also a

927
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:26,820
great Theory there he is he's back

928
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:28,500
and

929
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,040
so uh the question is here

930
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:34,160
do you think there's more than one of

931
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:37,260
species visiting Earth

932
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:38,700
oh boy

933
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,460
um

934
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:42,960
you know yeah yeah

935
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:43,859
um

936
00:38:48,530 --> 00:38:46,740
I would say uh well

937
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,540
I wanted to get back to the one thing

938
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:50,640
that the point that we're on before all

939
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,440
right so my news we'll get back to this

940
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,380
question yeah before my new setup took a

941
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,569
um so

942
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:01,619
um we were talking about the technology

943
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:03,240
of reverse Engineers so if the

944
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:04,079
government

945
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,320
uh was able to do that

946
00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:09,720
um then I you know there is an argument

947
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,079
that they would have that technology but

948
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:15,839
again and this has been stated time and

949
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:19,260
time uh um by

950
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,300
um Air Force officials and by Dave

951
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,480
fraver especially they would never break

952
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:26,880
it out during an exercise

953
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,859
they will never pull that because you're

954
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:31,200
putting Americans at risk and if some

955
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:33,960
some were to die and it got out oh my

956
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:36,780
God Court martial they take that that

957
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,900
stuff very very serious so

958
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:42,060
um I'm still I've not seen any any clear

959
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:44,820
evidence that um that that has our

960
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:46,460
technology that'd be our technology

961
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,400
tested upon ourselves uh basically yeah

962
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,560
it is way too dangerous because think of

963
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,520
all the things that could have happened

964
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:55,740
they could have fired on them you know

965
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:58,500
uh and that could have turned into a

966
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:00,900
mess you know the one thing you know

967
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:03,599
just staying on this topic in particular

968
00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:05,940
one thing that puzzles me and I've asked

969
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:08,220
uh people like Kevin Day in the past and

970
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,260
a few others that were involved in that

971
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:12,780
is it seems like if these things were

972
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:15,060
showing up on radar and they were out

973
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:18,540
there and you know for days it would you

974
00:40:23,329 --> 00:40:20,700
would think that there would be more of

975
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,339
an engagement to try to figure out what

976
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:25,320
they were instead of just you know

977
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:28,320
sending a couple of uh teams out and

978
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:30,060
coming back and getting a little bit of

979
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:31,380
footage here and there you would think

980
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:33,240
that they would really want to know

981
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,119
and would go to the cat point where they

982
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,359
showed up you know and and just try to

983
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,520
figure out what they were explore it

984
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,400
more because uh were they a threat or

985
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:45,839
not

986
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,540
you know I mean well they didn't they

987
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,700
didn't have any weapons with him in this

988
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:52,800
exercise no they did not because they

989
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,060
don't want them to be actually

990
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:57,599
accidentally firing on themselves

991
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,960
um friendly fire so I I think uh it was

992
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,119
more of this is what we have and and you

993
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:05,040
know Kevin day will tell you it was just

994
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:06,599
kind of like hey let's just check this

995
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:07,740
out

996
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:10,500
so that's how that whole thing you know

997
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:11,940
kind of played out

998
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:15,480
yeah but it it does uh it does to me it

999
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:16,859
just seems like they had an opportunity

1000
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,380
and why they didn't

1001
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:22,500
do some more research at that time and

1002
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,060
also you know when they were talking

1003
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:26,240
when um

1004
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,359
Graves was talking about in 2014 like a

1005
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,000
daily type sightings you know I'm

1006
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,280
wondering why there wasn't more research

1007
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,140
done

1008
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,119
at that point like what are these things

1009
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:41,520
are they a threat you know yeah they are

1010
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,220
I don't I don't know if if he's being

1011
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:46,500
literal I still don't know

1012
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,160
um

1013
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:48,900
because if these things are happening

1014
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:52,680
daily for weeks on end and no one is out

1015
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,380
there videotaping this shooting it that

1016
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,780
does that makes zero sense to me so what

1017
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,460
that means is now this law is passed are

1018
00:42:02,930 --> 00:42:00,960
we going to see a bunch of his buddies

1019
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:02,940
people that he knows coming out with

1020
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,220
footage because we know

1021
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:07,680
that Pilots do take their cell phones up

1022
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,859
sometimes and videotape as the UAP task

1023
00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:13,200
force presented someone was video you

1024
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:15,480
know sharing their camera yeah so so

1025
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:17,820
that's that was a very distracting short

1026
00:42:22,609 --> 00:42:20,700
video that meant really not too much it

1027
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,619
was like four frames six frames if that

1028
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,839
yeah that was crazy they presented that

1029
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,119
yeah I mean you can see stuff better on

1030
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:29,700
on YouTube so

1031
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,599
um I I do know that that Jeremy and

1032
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:36,079
George Knapp recently said that that

1033
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,000
they're going to be um

1034
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:40,800
that's some amazing stuff's going to be

1035
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,260
coming out this month in January and and

1036
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,000
um I don't know what what that means

1037
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:50,640
they were not very specific about it but

1038
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,940
why would that why would they know

1039
00:42:58,849 --> 00:42:55,800
um because

1040
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:58,859
it's it sounded to me like they've been

1041
00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:01,740
waiting for this Bill to pass the people

1042
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:03,300
who are going to be coming out these you

1043
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:05,400
know the whistleblowers and so now that

1044
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:07,140
it's passed now it's going to be you

1045
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:09,420
know coming out so I hope that happens

1046
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,700
I'll be you know be very excited and and

1047
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,280
you know George has certainly pulled out

1048
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:17,520
stuff beforehand same with Jeremy so but

1049
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:20,280
this has to you know this has to be

1050
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:22,920
really you know special for me I'm kind

1051
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:24,900
of like I I don't want to see any more

1052
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,740
footage unless it's nuts and bolts close

1053
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:31,920
up I don't want to see dark flare

1054
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:34,680
footage moving along that has anyone

1055
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,040
questioning I I really would love to see

1056
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,200
um something you know Shotwell where I

1057
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,480
see details like like UFO Witnesses

1058
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,420
describe but again it seems like you

1059
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,040
know you know a lot of people will say

1060
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,440
well that's because the agenda of this

1061
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:51,599
is not controlled by humans is

1062
00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:52,980
controlled by Whoever has this

1063
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:54,540
technology whether they're future humans

1064
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,579
or not they determine when we're going

1065
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,859
to see what we're going to see but I

1066
00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:00,240
think we can all assume that the

1067
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:04,200
military has got Crystal Clear footage

1068
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:08,339
I I would think so and you know and what

1069
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:10,380
would their reason be for holding that

1070
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:11,339
back

1071
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,589
um well

1072
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:17,339
up until now it's been we don't want to

1073
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,720
admit that these things are out there

1074
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,880
that they can run circles around us and

1075
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:22,800
now they're like yeah there are out

1076
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,599
there we're not going to say that it's

1077
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,920
something else we're not going to say

1078
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,079
it's China and it's Russia it's not

1079
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,200
so I think in a way that again that's

1080
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,500
been the big needle pushing where the

1081
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:37,440
needle you know went from you know

1082
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:38,819
you know

1083
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:44,940
would almost say it's 12 o'clock if I'm

1084
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:46,500
gonna be an optimist you know it's not

1085
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,140
all the way over but it it feels like

1086
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:50,880
it's kind of halfway there we've gotten

1087
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,640
an acknowledgment great terrific people

1088
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,900
aren't going to be fired over this

1089
00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:57,660
awesome that's that's a whole sea change

1090
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:02,220
of of uh of you know of a mindset so I

1091
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:11,870
I just had John Ramirez on and I said if

1092
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:12,839
you

1093
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,839
talk about

1094
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:21,119
some things involving the UAP that would

1095
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:24,540
make a difference and he said yes so and

1096
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,940
Lou Elizondo has said the same thing on

1097
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,520
not just my show but other shows so

1098
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:31,800
here's two people that if they have an

1099
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:33,660
amnesty situation

1100
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,119
and they're not gonna whatever it is

1101
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,760
lose their pension or or get fined in

1102
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:41,520
some other type of way for breaking the

1103
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:45,240
NDA now is there opportunity is more or

1104
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,660
less right well it means that John and

1105
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:50,220
Lou are free

1106
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:54,260
to go and speak about this but who did

1107
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:58,079
exactly yeah not to us not directly to

1108
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,560
congressmen congresswoman but to these

1109
00:46:11,809 --> 00:46:05,040
task force force and so

1110
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,210
so they may talk about it but again we

1111
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:17,160
may not ever be able to know anything

1112
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:19,079
yeah it's really confusing because

1113
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:21,300
everyone that at first blush we were

1114
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:23,700
thinking oh this is this is great now

1115
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:25,079
anyone can talk about this they're not

1116
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:26,520
going to get sued if they sign you know

1117
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,619
signed uh you know non-disclosure

1118
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,319
agreements terrific God

1119
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:34,260
but it still is being filtered by these

1120
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,400
task force by Arrow by even the you know

1121
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:40,920
um UAP task force

1122
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,020
so

1123
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:44,520
it's not

1124
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:49,200
if you will got to come up with a better

1125
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:50,940
word because it has so much branding but

1126
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,560
disclosure it's not disclosure it's not

1127
00:46:55,849 --> 00:46:54,660
going to be until people can directly

1128
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,859
come out and say all right this is what

1129
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,140
I shot I just you know came back from a

1130
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,300
mission and I shot this footage

1131
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:01,760
you know

1132
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:08,400
intrigued by by what he said he kind of

1133
00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:11,099
loaded to what it was or do you remember

1134
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:14,339
that what had to do it with he didn't

1135
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,400
really uh no I didn't catch that or I

1136
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,440
don't recall exactly what you mean

1137
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:21,180
I thought he was kind of teasing a

1138
00:47:24,170 --> 00:47:22,500
little bit that I can tell you that it

1139
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,180
would be about this if I would talk

1140
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,520
about it but I forgot what it was but it

1141
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,380
felt like it was

1142
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:31,079
like he was he's dying to talk about it

1143
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,300
and yeah you know and I believe that

1144
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,280
there was a question came up in chat

1145
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,560
like hey when this thing passes will you

1146
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,079
talk about it and I believe he said he

1147
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:42,300
would do you know I'd have to go back

1148
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,220
and listen to it but

1149
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:47,220
um here's a question for you men for you

1150
00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:49,619
Dean do you think there's more than one

1151
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:53,099
species visiting Earth

1152
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:56,579
um I always say about the UFO phenomenon

1153
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:57,480
um

1154
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:59,339
uh I believe in none of the above and

1155
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,660
all of the above

1156
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:03,359
because

1157
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,900
um you know uh I've heard credible

1158
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,359
experiencers tell me that they've you

1159
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:11,599
know seen you know seven foot tall

1160
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:14,579
praying mantis beans

1161
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:16,380
um I doubt that they come from the same

1162
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:20,940
place that a humanoid would come from

1163
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:22,920
um and um

1164
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,099
so I I think

1165
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:28,380
I think the chances are that

1166
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,859
we are having these you know the the

1167
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,079
Extraterrestrial hypothesis is probably

1168
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,540
correct because as we are seeing more

1169
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:39,119
and more with the James Webb Telescope

1170
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:40,440
um that

1171
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,300
uh there are other planets like us are

1172
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,800
they going to look like us are they

1173
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,780
going to be humanoid or as

1174
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,819
um you know I interviewed Michio calcu

1175
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,920
for my doc series

1176
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,140
he said they're most likely to be kind

1177
00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:53,760
of amphibious you know to be like

1178
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:56,339
lobster people if anything because life

1179
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,980
stems from water more than it does land

1180
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,480
and so

1181
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,819
um you know but again you know Michael

1182
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:04,079
Masters

1183
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:05,099
um

1184
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,380
you know his theory about how we're

1185
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:09,599
going to evolve into looking like these

1186
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,339
gray beans

1187
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:12,240
um

1188
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:15,060
that to me is a front runner I I've kind

1189
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,680
of you know it's like if you've got a

1190
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:18,480
best list of like your favorite songs or

1191
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,740
your favorite movies and then you kind

1192
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,240
of change the order occasionally every

1193
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,700
year whatever that one is like my number

1194
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:25,380
one kind of right now it seems to make

1195
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,520
sense and it seems to be the most

1196
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,319
prosaic

1197
00:49:32,450 --> 00:49:30,900
um out of all the things but they could

1198
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,460
be from easily From Another Dimension

1199
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:34,260
that makes sense as well you know the

1200
00:49:38,890 --> 00:49:37,140
idea that they've been here all along

1201
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:38,900
um you know I don't believe in the

1202
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:42,359
annunooki I can't even say that right

1203
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,240
I don't I don't you know such and uh

1204
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:47,040
sitchin has even said that you know he

1205
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:48,480
was barring and

1206
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:50,520
you know from this or that mythology to

1207
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:51,960
create that

1208
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:53,880
um so

1209
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:54,660
um

1210
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:57,660
I don't know I mean that's a whole God

1211
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:01,560
that's a deep rabbit hole it is yeah so

1212
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,380
but it's you know the things that there

1213
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,240
are a lot of things that can't be

1214
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,359
explained that actually could be

1215
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,200
explained by uh interdimensional you

1216
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,839
know how they would come over into this

1217
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:18,000
and I'm talking about ghosts and maybe

1218
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,099
even Bigfoot or Cryptids or something

1219
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,380
like that where there's no sign of them

1220
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:24,780
in any type of way uh people have talked

1221
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:28,920
about uh UFOs like fading out out fading

1222
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:31,680
in and fading out you know uh

1223
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:34,500
and I'm not saying for sure that I I

1224
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:36,540
have no idea what these things are I

1225
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:38,819
really don't at

1226
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:42,599
um I I it's all just speculation yeah at

1227
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:45,300
this point yeah I mean

1228
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,119
until we get our hands on something

1229
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:50,640
and yeah are really able to figure it

1230
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:53,880
out we'll we none of us will really know

1231
00:51:01,970 --> 00:50:58,260
um I I like kind of um parking um some

1232
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,980
of my um researcher interest in the idea

1233
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,960
that that they're traveling in the

1234
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,520
astral plane

1235
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:07,859
meaning that you know people have said

1236
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:10,260
they've seen deceased loved ones on some

1237
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,940
of these crafts so if we're talking

1238
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:13,440
about that we're going to entertain that

1239
00:51:18,530 --> 00:51:16,740
again I haven't seen anything

1240
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:18,540
um you know someone was just asking if

1241
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:20,220
you've seen a UFO someone just posted

1242
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,859
that question yeah I I've not I did see

1243
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,000
something

1244
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,800
um near my home that I videotaped and

1245
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:26,640
again

1246
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,859
it would be footage that I would say if

1247
00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:30,839
someone showed to me I'd be God say God

1248
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:32,579
give me something

1249
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:36,540
close and clean but um

1250
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,900
um but it was a you know as much as it

1251
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,280
was weird and my girlfriend and I both

1252
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,740
saw it and videotaped it it was weird uh

1253
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:45,960
it was it was too far away and uh it was

1254
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:47,339
just moving very strange and kind of

1255
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,500
appearing and disappearing but you know

1256
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:52,140
there might be some other explanations

1257
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:53,880
um you know for it whether it was Birds

1258
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,099
and the sun was hitting them or kite or

1259
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:58,380
something except it seemed metallic and

1260
00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:01,140
again it was making you know sharp turns

1261
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:04,020
and stuff but uh yeah anyway

1262
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:06,780
um uh that's as close as I've as I've

1263
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:08,220
gotten um

1264
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:10,020
you know it's funny all my friends are

1265
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:11,220
dropping like

1266
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:17,940
um that that haven't seen them

1267
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:21,000
uh you know Dave Foley has now with

1268
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:23,099
Jeremy Jeremy hadn't seen him now Jeremy

1269
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:24,540
has seen one

1270
00:52:33,549 --> 00:52:31,500
um so I'm like Last Man Standing I'm

1271
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:33,559
waiting for my opportunity

1272
00:52:40,010 --> 00:52:37,800
to see one but I can tell you this that

1273
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:40,020
I've spent you know half a decade

1274
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:42,059
um and before that was always an

1275
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,260
armchair you know um uh researcher

1276
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:49,200
um but hardcore for the past five years

1277
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:50,520
um researching this and talking to

1278
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:52,020
people who have and and going to

1279
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:53,640
experience their support groups as well

1280
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,040
so covering the full spectrum of the

1281
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:58,319
phenomenon and I can tell you that I I

1282
00:53:01,609 --> 00:53:00,300
you know after working on crime shows

1283
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,619
for 20 years I have a pretty good

1284
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,680
meter and none of these people

1285
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:05,400
you know

1286
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,240
sent any alarm or a flag going up and so

1287
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,760
you know I believe these people when

1288
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:13,980
someone's suffering from PTSD like an

1289
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:16,980
experiencer you can't fake PTSD so right

1290
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,940
away that passes a lot of

1291
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,520
you know muster so yeah

1292
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,380
Dean thank you so much I can't believe

1293
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:27,839
how quickly the hour went

1294
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:29,700
I really appreciate it it's always it's

1295
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,300
always fun and and I'll have you back uh

1296
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:36,059
guest hosting hosting when I feel like I

1297
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,559
want to you know relax for a week or

1298
00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:40,079
something that uh but anyway thanks so

1299
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,079
much for for your time tonight anytime

1300
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:45,599
Martin uh great great seeing you again

1301
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,300
and um thank you and and have a great

1302
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:50,160
awesome new year and same to all of your

1303
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:51,540
listeners

1304
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,619
that's right all right talk soon

1305
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,599
all right everyone so we'll be back next

1306
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,760
week at the same time and we'll have

1307
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,640
Mario Woods on the show for those of you

1308
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:04,559
who missed him last time he's going to

1309
00:54:08,930 --> 00:54:06,300
be live this time and it should be very

1310
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,940
very interesting all right so uh again

1311
00:54:11,490 --> 00:54:10,740
happy New Year everyone and remember to

1312
00:54:22,770 --> 00:54:11,500
keep your eyes